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    I guess make this your wish list for the free agent/trade you would like to see the thunder acquire. I'm going to be somewhat realistic and not suggest Paul George or Antetokounmpo, even though I love them. I'm going to put some young guys I like that might not be as unattainable as the aforementioned.

    Otto Porter JR. he's averaging 13.5/5 and and shooting 40% from three. I know he's going to have to get paid, but I like his potential and seems like a Presti guy.

    Devin Booker- I dont think the suns would trade him but I really like him. Some might say he's having a second year slump but I think he would do well with Russel Westbrook and Oladipo. He's a pure shooter. Right now he's being asked to do more than he's ready to to do. Booker is 6'6, so having a three guard lineup might not kill us.

    Jaylen Brown-I think he's an up-and-comer but probably won't help us much this year.

    Zach Lavine- Rumor is Thibbs would trade a young guy for a solid defensive vet. Roberson?? Not likely, lol. But a guy can dream, right?

    Gordon Hayward-i dont know why he would leave Utah. If they can get their roster healthy, I think they can be REALLY good. I just hope Kanter told him how much better OKC is than Salt Lake City.

    Reggie Jackson- I would like to see him back on the thunder bench next to singler and never play one minute more to his NBA career. Every time Russ scores he can look at Reggie and smile and ask him, "who is your daddy?".

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    Reggie signed a MAX contract with Detroit so he isn't going anywhere. KD will opt out and if he secretly hates it in Golden State ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyJordanSingler View Post
    KD will opt out and if he secretly hates it in Golden State ....
    OKC would have to move two of Oladipo, Kanter, Russ and Adams to be able to bring back kd. They would have to get enough under the cap to sign him with space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knrstz View Post
    Jaylen Brown-I think he's an up-and-comer but probably won't help us much this year.
    The only realistic name on the list. He could be part of a package for Russ. Boston isn't going to trade for Kanter when they were careful about contracts this off-season to make sure they would be a player in FA again. Payne isn't going to interest them with their group of PGs and combo guards. Sabonis and Roberson for Brown could interest Boston, but that is bad for OKC both short-term and long-term.

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    Norman Powell, SG, Tor. He's a good 3pt shooter who plays solid defense, finishes at the rim and is stuck in a numbers crunch. His limited playing time, 15 MPG, makes him expendable and he hasn't been able to show enough to have a lot of trade value. I'm not sure anything matches up for the Thunder to acquire him, maybe Abrines and a future 1st. Powell has a chance to become a very good player that could become that missing piece in the wing rotation.

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    We probably end up trading something for Rudy Gay would be my guess. Sac knows he's going to walk and knows we want him.

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    I'm fine with Gay for this year, but I don't want him long term because of his age. I do want Russ to have some help this year so he doesn't become frustrated being here. If we were to trade Kanter for Gay, what kind of cap space does that open up for us in the offseason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knrstz View Post
    I'm fine with Gay for this year, but I don't want him long term because of his age. I do want Russ to have some help this year so he doesn't become frustrated being here. If we were to trade Kanter for Gay, what kind of cap space does that open up for us in the offseason?
    If they trade for Gay they will have to extend him or they will be in worse shape next year. Kanter, who Sacramento has no interest in, for Gay would leave OKC with around $5M in cap space this off-season. Basically, it means they either use the bird rights they would get to extend Gay or they gave away Kanter for nothing. After extending Adams and Oladipo OKC will not have cap space this off-season. It is not possible. The only way OKC gets cap space is to move TWO of Russ, Oladipo, Adams and Kanter.

    OKC does have some cap space right now, but that goes away when the extensions kick in. So they could do something like Payne and Morrow for Gay, but again unless they are going to extend Gay there is no point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizz Fastfists View Post
    If they trade for Gay they will have to extend him or they will be in worse shape next year. Kanter, who Sacramento has no interest in, for Gay would leave OKC with around $5M in cap space this off-season. Basically, it means they either use the bird rights they would get to extend Gay or they gave away Kanter for nothing. After extending Adams and Oladipo OKC will not have cap space this off-season. It is not possible. The only way OKC gets cap space is to move TWO of Russ, Oladipo, Adams and Kanter.

    OKC does have some cap space right now, but that goes away when the extensions kick in. So they could do something like Payne and Morrow for Gay, but again unless they are going to extend Gay there is no point.
    I'm curious, what do you think is their best course of action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knrstz View Post
    I'm curious, what do you think is their best course of action?
    Blow it up and start over. Trade Russ, which can't be done for another seven weeks, for a package from Boston including Crowder and picks. Ideally, it would include Isaiah Thomas who would get flipped to Philly for more picks. Trade Oladipo for picks and young players. Trade Kanter for anything of future value, i.e. any first round pick, young players, etc. Throw Payne into the fire at starting PG and see if he can be the leader or if he is more suited for the backup role. Keep Roberson as the defensive wing and keep Sabonis and Adams as the starting big men. Give Abrines the starting job and see how he develops. Use the multiple lottery picks in this draft that looks to be the best since 2003 and could end up being better than the 2003 draft to start rebuilding.

    Yes, it will mean missing the playoffs for 2-3 years as the youth develops. Yes, it will suck having gone from a contender to a lottery team. However, it is better to be a lottery team for 2-3 years with a chance to return to contender status then to be a 1st round playoff exit this year and next then become a lottery team with too much talent to bottom out and be picking in the late lottery and getting stuck in spot where there is no hope for the present or future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizz Fastfists View Post
    Blow it up and start over. Trade Russ, which can't be done for another seven weeks, for a package from Boston including Crowder and picks. Ideally, it would include Isaiah Thomas who would get flipped to Philly for more picks. Trade Oladipo for picks and young players. Trade Kanter for anything of future value, i.e. any first round pick, young players, etc. Throw Payne into the fire at starting PG and see if he can be the leader or if he is more suited for the backup role. Keep Roberson as the defensive wing and keep Sabonis and Adams as the starting big men. Give Abrines the starting job and see how he develops. Use the multiple lottery picks in this draft that looks to be the best since 2003 and could end up being better than the 2003 draft to start rebuilding.

    Yes, it will mean missing the playoffs for 2-3 years as the youth develops. Yes, it will suck having gone from a contender to a lottery team. However, it is better to be a lottery team for 2-3 years with a chance to return to contender status then to be a 1st round playoff exit this year and next then become a lottery team with too much talent to bottom out and be picking in the late lottery and getting stuck in spot where there is no hope for the present or future.
    I can't believe you'd want to blow it up but keep Rbersn, a guy Presti didn't think was worth what he was asking just a little over a month ago.

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    Kizz, do you think there is any possibility of that happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjthunder View Post
    I can't believe you'd want to blow it up but keep Rbersn, a guy Presti didn't think was worth what he was asking just a little over a month ago.
    Do you know something I don't about those negotiations like the actual figures? Unless Presti was offering him something like $15M/yr there was no upside to signing early. Roberson can't hurt his value by repeating last season, which is basically what he is doing. However, if he'd come out and hit 35% from 3 he'd have been in line for a big contract. If I were Roberson's agent I would have advised him against signing this past off-season.

    I'd keep him because is the type of player that every team needs. He's a defender that can drastically reduce the impact of the opposing team's top guard/wing. He's not going to be expensive to retain. He has playoff experience and help teach the younger players about playoff intensity before they get there. He and Adams would be to the new kids like Collison and Perkins were for KD, Ibaka and Russ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knrstz View Post
    Kizz, do you think there is any possibility of that happening?
    Not this year. Maybe next year, but then the return will be greatly reduce because we'll be trading 1/2 a season of Russ so the team will only get one payoff run out of him instead of two. I think Russ wants to win and he is figuring out that it can't happen in OKC now. Unless Presti pulls off some kind of miracle fleecing by trading Kanter for a wing that is on par with Oladipo there is just no chance for OKC to become a contender with the current core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knrstz View Post
    Kizz, do you think there is any possibility of that happening?
    No they aren't going to trade Russ not sure why that is even being talked about. You'd not only gut the team you'd gut and demoralize the entire fan base and i can assure you they are not going to do that for the good of the franchise. Russ will not be traded from OKC he will either stay and continue to extend or he will walk into FA. When they extended him that was the deal unless Russ specifically wants to be traded they aren't trading him.

    I don't know why everyone is so down on OKC not being a contender again. I just don't think KD was that much of a difference maker in this team. I still believe we are one player away from being a contender again. It might be more difficult to get that player due to salaries, cap space etc... so i think they do some kind of trade to complete the team at some point. It sounds like they were in the talks of trading for Rudy Gay until Cam got hurt. Is that the difference maker? Probably not but it does take the team up a step in a badly needed area.

    Having a good quality team that can go into the playoffs is not a failure and not a reason to blow up a team and start over. Having one of the best players in the NBA and likely MVP this year is not a reason to trade him away and start over. THe talk of rebuilding from scratch is just foolish IMO we have a pretty good team. We'd be 3rd in the east right now with our record and some of you are talking about blowing up the team and trading Russ.. That's just nonsense. If you have as good a team as we got you do everything you can to make it better when options become available. If you become a contender again then it worked out perfect.. If not then you keep trying. If and when you lose your star like Russ then you can talk rebuild.

    We need a good solid SF player to come in and really take KD's spot as best we can get. If that player is Rudy Gay then so be it he's not a bad player.. not an all star but he's better than what we have that's for sure. Depending on what we'd have to give up i would be willing to bet they are playing the waiting game because SAC doesn't want him to walk for nothing.. Now OKC doesn't have to give up as much for him unless he commits to extending.. I think they let it play out until probably next year close to the deadline and see what happens at that point.

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