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    OKC proposed convention center - 200,000 sq.,ft exhibit hall, 45,000-square-foot meeting space, 30,000-sq.,ft ballroom.


    Oklahoma City 600 room, 19 story Omni Convention Center Hotel


    ...and a proposed 133 room, 5 story Fairfield Inn & Suites Marriott.



    The new convention center will replace the old Cox Convention Center (formerly Myriad built in 1973).

    Majority of our costs will be funded by the MAPS III initiative which did not include provisions for parking or hotel subsidies. A 600 room Omni & a 133 room proposed Fairfield Inn would increase the total room count to 733 closer to the proposed 735 room hotel study recommendation. Both hotels & the convention center will share the 1,365 proposed parking (865-space parking garage, and a 500-space parking lot).

    http://newsok.com/multimedia/video/5...6001#gsc.tab=0
    OKC faces a potential $150 million in hotel subsidies--includes $27 million subsidy for a new parking garage. Omni will finance $150.1 million. Total cost estimate for the OKC Omni = $300.1 million.
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    New Oklahoma City convention center complex:
    (projected completion date: 2020)




    Total Project Budget


    Surface Parking


    Enclosed bridge connection from convention center to 600 room Omni Hotel
    "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." Charles Darwin

    "Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

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    This pic shows (via Pete, OKCTalk) the historic presence of Union Station below (red shingled roof). Scissortail Park, convention center, Omni hotel & streetcar route should top off around 2019.


    Maybe OG&E Energy will have something on a foundation by then.
    "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." Charles Darwin

    "Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

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    Do we have any idea what they're going to do with the land that the current convention center sits on after it's demolished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueblood View Post
    Do we have any idea what they're going to do with the land that the current convention center sits on after it's demolished?
    Cox Convention Center, which is currently the city’s main convention center, may not be used as the main convention center one year after Omni opens. The agreement restricts redevelopment as a hotel. Omni would be offered first rights to develop a hotel on the site. Additionally, the agreement creates a “no-subsidy zone” that would restrict the city from offering subsidies for any future hotel development. First National Center, which is beginning renovations to make way for a hotel, apartments and retail/dining, was excluded from the zone. http://okgazette.com/2017/07/27/okla...-center-hotel/

    Oklahoma City could offer that 4-square blocks of land for development like office & mixed-use residential.

    Omni has secured first rights to development a hotel once that land becomes vacant.

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    First National Tower, 33 stories, 493 ft., high 3rd tallest building in OKC

    Great Banking Hall
    "We'll have two food and beverage outlets, two bars, two restaurants. It's got a 150-room hotel. We'll have about 10,000 feet of commercial/retail space and 200 apartments on the upper floors," he said.

    The project, which is expected to cost $200 million, will be paid for with private and public money.
    Developers discuss plans for historic First National Center in downtown Oklahoma City: http://kfor.com/2017/01/17/developer...oklahoma-city/
    "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." Charles Darwin

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    Progress: Modern Streetcar & Commuter Transit Project in MAPS 3

    Quick Facts
    Project budget: $131 million
    Construction: Under way.
    Storage & Maintenance Facility location: SW 7th Street and Hudson Avenue



    Oklahoma City Brookville Streetcar Design & Colors.





    Progress in Bricktown



    Oklahoma City Streetcar Route

    Have you attempted to navigate thru downtown/bricktown OKC lately? You'll find the street rail construction to be not only an obstacle; however a real challenge.
    "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." Charles Darwin

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    Snow cured...


    OKC's new streetcars (Cars No. 1 & 2,) both in the “redbud” color scheme, were photographed
    as snow fell at Brookville Equipment Corp. in western Pennsylvania.

    Car No. 1 is expected to arrive in about a month, said Doug Smith of Jacobs, the engineering consulting firm
    that is managing development of the MAPS 3 streetcar.


    The nearly $5 million streetcar will be delivered to the recently completed streetcar maintenance facility at SW 7 Street & Hudson Avenue by Silk Road Transport.

    Smith said Cars No. 2 thru 6 would arrive at roughly 3-week intervals through the spring.--Oklahoman, William Crum Published: January 17, 2018
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    MAPS III - Oklahoma City Convention Center complex updates:

    Alternates:
    Pedestrian skywalk bridge: options from Omni Hotel, Convention Center or Parking Garage










    Source: OKCTalk - http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.ph...68#post1020868
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    That streetcar setup is going to fail. How will they regulate cars, are they taking a lane away permanently? And are the lights timed to allow them free flow? And why not make it free to get riders? And why no spur over to the medical district?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderVike View Post
    That streetcar setup is going to fail. How will they regulate cars, are they taking a lane away permanently? And are the lights timed to allow them free flow? And why not make it free to get riders? And why no spur over to the medical district?
    Light rail tracks cost $1 million per running mile to construct.



    Lanes will not be taken away permanently; vehicles will be able to drive over the light rail streetcar tracks which are even with the street grade. The OKC streetcars will have right-of-way. OKC streetcars are scheduled to run every 7 minutes.

    The Broadway Street route will change street side parking from angled to parallel parking.

    Oklahoma City will have one of the longer roll outs routes (6.9 miles) for cities with re-established streetcars. A fee for ridership has not yet been determined.

    On the OKCTalk forum many light rail enthusiasts are ready for an expansion of the streetcar which could eventually lead to commuter rail. Commuter rail line tracks (much heavier load) currently cost $13 million per running mile to construct.

    OKC streetcar will more than likely provide for tourists thru the core (downtown-midtown) transportation as a novelty mode of transportation. The OU Medical Center area has been mentioned as a future expansion possibility.
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    Has anyone been downtown during lunch? For over 2 hours the streets are packed with cars. So, even if streetcar has right of way what happens when traffic ahead is stopped? Nowhere for cars to go to get out of way. Lights on red then what? I see many issues with this. Of course the streetcar is supposed to rid of more cars but the medical district alone has mass cars going over for lunch. Its gonna be an issue. And I expect low ridership. They should have made it free for the first few years. As much as is spent if it fails that will mean voters lose trust in leaders making correct decisions for long term viability of many projects yet to be announced or proposed. MAPS has been a win but a big failure will hurt.

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    As cities grow, so will traffic. The traffic issue about which you describe are worse in markets like New York, L.A., Chicago, Dallas & Kansas City.

    Our streetcars & maintenance facility are debt free, in other markets they are not. There will always be peak period in every major city where traffic will be a concern. You mentioned making the fares free; why would you do this if your concern is failure--traffic congestion or financial failure?

    Oklahoma City streetcar route construction downtown (via OKCTalk Forum).
    None of the modern streetcars (Salt Lake City, Portland, Fort Worth & Kansas City) have failed so far; therefore don't look for this to be an issue. OKC consultants have the data collected from other streetcar communities to avoid potential problems with the system.


    The OKC streetcars will have the potential to go off-wire; Dallas' new streetcar will start off wire.
    Last edited by Laramie; 02-05-2018 at 08:12 PM.
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    I say make it free for a few years to help make it work not fail. We are in a car dependent city/state and old habits die hard. People will look for any excuse not to use it. If you make it free you develop an easy following and those ambassadors help sell it long term by word of mouth.

    Making them pay means some will not use it. At first it will have lots of riders just due to newness. But after 6 months as the ridership goes down opponents will use it as a politcal tool or neysayers will jump on declines to rail against it again.

    Another point you make it free oitside visitors will glow about OKC and ability to freely get somewhere downtown, especially once Conv Center opens.

    Maybe if they preannounced it was free first 2 years then would add a fee. If it declines then what? And I still see many issues getting thru traffic at peak times like morning/noon/afternoon rush hours. When cars are packed on streets both lanes, how does this streetcar get thru?

    And KC is free by the way. They should have added the annual cost of running it to the tax base and been done. That way all the citizens own it, and may use it more. Plus you eliminate the need to collect fares which can slow systems down. I watched that 11 minute video of it and its gonna have issues navigating unless they close that lane.

    I want it to succeed and hope they bring it to medical district. Dissappointed they left out the biggest workforce in downtown area (medical district). Had they added then that would have vastly added to base users. Do you think anyone who has to drive over to Bricktown area for lunch from medical area is ever gonna use it at lunch? They missed a huge opportunity to get it right, right out of the gate.

    Oh, and its not gonna run on Sundays? WTF

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderVike View Post
    I say make it free for a few years to help make it work not fail. We are in a car dependent city/state and old habits die hard. People will look for any excuse not to use it. If you make it free you develop an easy following and those ambassadors help sell it long term by word of mouth.

    Making them pay means some will not use it. At first it will have lots of riders just due to newness. But after 6 months as the ridership goes down opponents will use it as a politcal tool or neysayers will jump on declines to rail against it again.

    Another point you make it free oitside visitors will glow about OKC and ability to freely get somewhere downtown, especially once Conv Center opens.

    Maybe if they preannounced it was free first 2 years then would add a fee. If it declines then what? And I still see many issues getting thru traffic at peak times like morning/noon/afternoon rush hours. When cars are packed on streets both lanes, how does this streetcar get thru?

    And KC is free by the way. They should have added the annual cost of running it to the tax base and been done. That way all the citizens own it, and may use it more. Plus you eliminate the need to collect fares which can slow systems down. I watched that 11 minute video of it and its gonna have issues navigating unless they close that lane.

    I want it to succeed and hope they bring it to medical district. Dissappointed they left out the biggest workforce in downtown area (medical district). Had they added then that would have vastly added to base users. Do you think anyone who has to drive over to Bricktown area for lunch from medical area is ever gonna use it at lunch? They missed a huge opportunity to get it right, right out of the gate.

    Oh, and its not gonna run on Sundays? WTF
    KC's streetcar runs 2.2 mile route along Main Street connects the River Market to Union Station/Crown Center; OKC's streetcar will have a 6.9 mile route thru Downtown & Midtown to Santa Fe Station Intermodal Hub. They haven't decided on a fare; who knows what or if anything they will charge.

    What's open on Sundays that would require use of a streetcar in downtown/midtown?

    You will probably see some special Sunday runs depending on the events in downtown/midtown.
    Last edited by Laramie; 02-06-2018 at 12:08 AM.
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